Muchas gracias por tu artículo Ricard.
No se puede ser más claro explicándolo.
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Opinion: Let's redo the APS-C lineup in 2025. Please.
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in "theory" with a stacked sensor of the R3 generation, it IS possible.
R3 is around 4.8ms full sensor read so 1.6 crop of that would be around 3ms which would give it a faster readout speed than the Z9, etc that do not have a mechanical shutter.
Edit: that's not entirely true because of the amount of lines - so it would still be probably around 5.6ms or 1/180
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Very interesting article and I agree with most parts... well, actually, almost everything. On my last holiday I realized the R5 is too heavy to take everywhere, especially hiking. The small increases in size and weight over the EOS R actually pushed it above my limit. So, within the next couple of years I´m looking to add a smaller, lighter camera as well. At the moment, I´d opt for the R8 because it would fit well with my 35mm F1.8 and 85mm F2. The R50 does look interesting but so far there are ZERO RF´s lenses that have sparked my interest. So, I'll wait and see what the next generation of APS-C cameras and especially lenses will bring. If they don´t entice me, I'll grab a used R8...
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josephandrews222
Square Sensors + AI = Better Images
RIchard:
(1) Nice write-up
(2) Wonderful use of the camerasize.com website
(3) I can borrow the well-known phrase about firearms: Wilensky reports that the bumper stickers were at that time sold reading "I Will Give Up My Gun When They Peel My Cold Dead Fingers From Around It." and apply it to my pair of M6MkII's (with the 22, 11-22 and 18-150 lenses). My recollection of posts from right here on CR is that various M models sold quite well in Japan/Asia (but not America except for maybe the M5), facts related to your statement here that "Canon has a deep aversion to being lower than #1 in the domestic market."
(4) In summary, again from the piece:
The EOS-M system focused on small size and portability – but with the EOS-M system now discontinued, this is a notable gap that Canon’s current lineup doesn't address.
Canon always had a global approach to camera marketing. Cameras that may not sell well in North America may have a stronger appeal in Asia and other markets. For the most part, the RF APS-C system has seemed to try to do this – but not with the dominant success they usually have.
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I would pay a premium price for the smallest volume/lowest mass body with all the bells and whistles, wrapped around the latest-and-greatest APS-C sensor.
I would also pay a premium price for an ultra-modern sensor/electronics packaged inside a pocket (or nearly pocket-sized) camera...a Canon camera. That those who write for and manage this website are considering Fuji for this (or something like it)...I just don't understand Canon's thinking here.
My desire to pay premium prices for compact-sized Canons has not minimized my desire to own full-size Canon products--I eagerly await shipment of one R5MkII
and all that goes with it.
...now going to check my email for a notice of shipment
(1) Nice write-up
(2) Wonderful use of the camerasize.com website
(3) I can borrow the well-known phrase about firearms: Wilensky reports that the bumper stickers were at that time sold reading "I Will Give Up My Gun When They Peel My Cold Dead Fingers From Around It." and apply it to my pair of M6MkII's (with the 22, 11-22 and 18-150 lenses). My recollection of posts from right here on CR is that various M models sold quite well in Japan/Asia (but not America except for maybe the M5), facts related to your statement here that "Canon has a deep aversion to being lower than #1 in the domestic market."
(4) In summary, again from the piece:
The EOS-M system focused on small size and portability – but with the EOS-M system now discontinued, this is a notable gap that Canon’s current lineup doesn't address.
Canon always had a global approach to camera marketing. Cameras that may not sell well in North America may have a stronger appeal in Asia and other markets. For the most part, the RF APS-C system has seemed to try to do this – but not with the dominant success they usually have.
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I would pay a premium price for the smallest volume/lowest mass body with all the bells and whistles, wrapped around the latest-and-greatest APS-C sensor.
I would also pay a premium price for an ultra-modern sensor/electronics packaged inside a pocket (or nearly pocket-sized) camera...a Canon camera. That those who write for and manage this website are considering Fuji for this (or something like it)...I just don't understand Canon's thinking here.
My desire to pay premium prices for compact-sized Canons has not minimized my desire to own full-size Canon products--I eagerly await shipment of one R5MkII
and all that goes with it....now going to check my email for a notice of shipment
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Timely article - I just picked up the Sigma 18-50mm 2.8 for my R7. Extremely compact yet a fast versatile lens. It will be my go to for travel. If Sigma or Canon could provide a similar sized 50-150mm f2.8 lens, I could see real strong market share growth for the RF-S camera lineup.
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it's a lovely lens - will be even better when it's companion UWA is available.
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RIchard:
(1) Nice write-up
(2) Wonderful use of the camerasize.com website
(3) I can borrow the well-known phrase about firearms: Wilensky reports that the bumper stickers were at that time sold reading "I Will Give Up My Gun When They Peel My Cold Dead Fingers From Around It." and apply it to my pair of M6MkII's (with the 22, 11-22 and 18-150 lenses). My recollection of posts from right here on CR is that various M models sold quite well in Japan/Asia (but not America except for maybe the M5), facts related to your statement here that "Canon has a deep aversion to being lower than #1 in the domestic market."
(4) In summary, again from the piece:
The EOS-M system focused on small size and portability – but with the EOS-M system now discontinued, this is a notable gap that Canon’s current lineup doesn't address.
Canon always had a global approach to camera marketing. Cameras that may not sell well in North America may have a stronger appeal in Asia and other markets. For the most part, the RF APS-C system has seemed to try to do this – but not with the dominant success they usually have.
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I would pay a premium price for the smallest volume/lowest mass body with all the bells and whistles, wrapped around the latest-and-greatest APS-C sensor.
I would also pay a premium price for an ultra-modern sensor/electronics packaged inside a pocket (or nearly pocket-sized) camera...a Canon camera. That those who write for and manage this website are considering Fuji for this (or something like it)...I just don't understand Canon's thinking here.
My desire to pay premium prices for compact-sized Canons has not minimized my desire to own full-size Canon products--I eagerly await shipment of one R5MkII
...now going to check my email for a notice of shipment
The M50 sold well in USA - so i think that is what Canon was thinking - but they forgot the lessons of EF-M - or the designers just hated the EOS-M and decided not to take into account anything from that series of cameras.
I do wonder if politics was involved but we will never know.
you need to get the EF-M 32mm for your M6 Mark II's. it outresolves that sensor - almost into the corners at F1.4 it's that good.
I hope you liked the mockups
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"The EOS-M system focused on small size and portability – but with the EOS-M system now discontinued, this is a notable gap that Canon’s current lineup doesn't address."
The M50 was the best selling M. That gap was filled by the R50.
That said, Canon should add a no-viewfinder vlogging camera like the Sony ZV-E10 and Nikon Z30 to their lineup. With those cameras, the most important factor isn't their size, but the fact that they are vlogging-first cameras.
The M50 was the best selling M. That gap was filled by the R50.
That said, Canon should add a no-viewfinder vlogging camera like the Sony ZV-E10 and Nikon Z30 to their lineup. With those cameras, the most important factor isn't their size, but the fact that they are vlogging-first cameras.
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josephandrews222
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You're right...it was the M50...not the M5.The M50 sold well in USA - so i think that is what Canon was thinking - but they forgot the lessons of EF-M - or the designers just hated the EOS-M and decided not to take into account anything from that series of cameras.
I do wonder if politics was involved but we will never know.
you need to get the EF-M 32mm for your M6 Mark II's. it outresolves that sensor - almost into the corners at F1.4 it's that good.
I hope you liked the mockups
I've thought long and hard about the EF-M 32mm. Perhaps I need to revisit.
Your mock-ups are great. Better than what I've been able to do (maybe that's a low bar
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Bodywise I think the Nikon Z50 is / was one of the nicest APS-C cameras to hold and handle (if one likes the Nikon way of doing things). Nice, deep grip, plenty of buttons and dials, nice picture quality. And while I could have lived with some of its quirks (like the weird flappy LCD) the lens selection at that time was just too bare. Only two zooms existed IIRC and only the expensive FF primes - so I sold it. Now there are cheaper china alternatives, a few zooms and native DX lenses.
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You're right...it was the M50...not the M5.
I've thought long and hard about the EF-M 32mm. Perhaps I need to revisit.
Your mock-ups are great. Better than what I've been able to do (maybe that's a low bar
you do. trust me. that lens could have easily had a red ring around it. Esp on the M6 Mark II.
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Apologies if it's been said already...
I love the idea of a APS-c travel camera with fast, tiny lenses. But any body I buy has to be full-frame as that's what I have to have for my architectural photography work —my livelihood (such as it is). So only one system for me. Primary body plus backup body.
The perfect combination for me would be an R5 redesigned for full-on compactness. An R5 packaged into an Eos M6-like 'rangefinder style' body. I'd put an RF 28 f/2.8 mm on it or a 35 f/1.8 and be very happy. OR the allegedly upcoming 50 mm f/1.4!
I love the idea of a APS-c travel camera with fast, tiny lenses. But any body I buy has to be full-frame as that's what I have to have for my architectural photography work —my livelihood (such as it is). So only one system for me. Primary body plus backup body.
The perfect combination for me would be an R5 redesigned for full-on compactness. An R5 packaged into an Eos M6-like 'rangefinder style' body. I'd put an RF 28 f/2.8 mm on it or a 35 f/1.8 and be very happy. OR the allegedly upcoming 50 mm f/1.4!
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I'm a birder. I agree with pretty much all of what you wrote, but considering how good the phones are at taking images, I wonder if there is room in the market for the cheaper AP-C cameras, The R8 looms large ;-).
Personally I'm focused on the R7 MK II. The summary is that it has to as a camera fulfill the promises that the R7 was supposed to be able to do.
And finally Canon we need a RF-S standard zoom 24-105 (15-85mm?) equivalent, preferably F4. Not 18mm but 15 at the wider end.
I understand that this will cost more and that within reason is fine.
Personally I'm focused on the R7 MK II. The summary is that it has to as a camera fulfill the promises that the R7 was supposed to be able to do.
- AF must be accurate at high speeds and
- For heavens sake fix the mirror slap at slower shutter speeds.
- Buffer buffer buffer!
- Faster readout for less rolling shutter.
- Pre-capture that captures individual RAWs not all in one big file.
- Go back to standard UX (rear wheel placement for example)
And finally Canon we need a RF-S standard zoom 24-105 (15-85mm?) equivalent, preferably F4. Not 18mm but 15 at the wider end.
I understand that this will cost more and that within reason is fine.
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Or Canon could let Sigma make their 23 and 30 DC DN C lenses and take their revenues in the form of licensing fees.
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I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a constant aperture APS-C zoom lens. We’ve been waiting 18 years since the last one, which was also the first one.
The question is, is it fine with the market as a whole?
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XT4 , 16 1.4, 56 1.2 for 1500 euro. Done. (Buying bruised is great value).
I never want more than 24mp, if I ever did, it'd be a GFX 100.
I never want more than 24mp, if I ever did, it'd be a GFX 100.
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I don't need more than 24 MP, but I'm not opposed to having more...MP count just isn't a big priority for me when 24 is enough. But likewise, if I wanted more, I'd get a GFX.
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