Canon has a global shutter camera in the pipeline

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it's funny how years ago, when Sony sensors were superior in terms of DR over Canon sensors, people on this forum were saying that that was not a material disadvantage...
And now that Canon has caught up in DR and Sony has made a sensor that sacrifices DR in favor of other advantages, that DR loss is intolerable.
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I get this is sarcasm but I only make a big deal because Sony claims there is no loss of dynamic range.
I think it is a fair tradeoff.
I just hate how much Sony lies and can get away with it.
 
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As I own both I can tell you, the A9III seems to work in almost all lighting conditions without flicker. It works exceptionally well with LED walls, with no artifacting. The R1 works in most conditions, though cheap LED lights will cause flicker and LED walls must be shot in Raw to avoid artifacts. The global shutter makes these otherwise challenging conditions a non-issue.
I take it you are using the R1 in anti-flicker mode, correct?
Also, do you have footage on your YouTube channel?
 
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The most logical thing to me is a crop sensor global shutter cinema camera based on a similar sensor as the RED Komodo series, since that will probably be axed due to Nikon's aquisition of RED.
Some said previously that the Komodo sensor is based off a cropped R5 sensor with a global shutter mode.
Nikon can certainly do that.
Although, they can certainly make a full-frame global shutter camera like the V Raptor X.
 
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I get this is sarcasm but I only make a big deal because Sony claims there is no loss of dynamic range.
I think it is a fair tradeoff.
I just hate how much Sony lies and can get away with it.
My quip was not directed to you specifically - you are not the only one that have criticized Sony... I do not recall your posture in the 5D III v D800 (with Sony sensor) heydays. Apologies if it has come off that way. And the criticism of Sony lying is valid in my mind. That was dumb considering the data about the A9 III's sensor DR performance was freely available. All corporations lie from time to time.

On a serious note... I do think that people on this forum (and plenty other venues) have changed their narrative on DR with time in a slightly less then ingenuous way.
 
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I get this is sarcasm but I only make a big deal because Sony claims there is no loss of dynamic range.
I think it is a fair tradeoff.
I just hate how much Sony lies and can get away with it.
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If you consider the native ISO range of the a9III, Sony is telling the truth (the blip from different starting points of the second amplification stage notwithstanding):
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Canon not happy with the image quality sums up my feelings about my R5 Mark II. Talk about hit or miss.

Global shutter is meh. Canon needs to get their act together and being out an R1 with a larger and lower noise sensor. Lower cost prime telephotos. Revamped APS-C line with stacked sensors. And not take half a decade to get it done.
 
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Canon not happy with the image quality sums up my feelings about my R5 Mark II. Talk about hit or miss.

Global shutter is meh. Canon needs to get their act together and being out an R1 with a larger and lower noise sensor. Lower cost prime telephotos. Revamped APS-C line with stacked sensors. And not take half a decade to get it done.
Or else. Or else what?

Exactly.
 
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If it's FF and high volume I would suggest the R8 mark ii would be suitable, I don't want it in the R6 iii though as I want the best possible low light performance please and the stacked sensor from the R3 or preferably (but less likely) the R1 is what I would like
Of course if Canon make a global shutter sensor which performs at least as well in low light as my R6 ii then sure put it in the R6 iii but reusing the R1 sensor makes more sense without wasting resources
 
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As someone who really doesn’t need my camera for video these days, for which I use my iPhone 16Pro Max, which is pretty good enough for what I need it for, a global shutter has little interest for me. Yes, I know that possibly a higher flash sync. But that’s not much of an advantage, as I see it. So, for me, still quality is much more important. In fact, I was somewhat disappointed that the IQ from the R5II is supposed to be slightly lower than my R5 and I was frustrated, as I was going to get that. Now, I don’t know. Really, higher IQ is the main reason I upgrade. So if a global shutter has no advantages for stills, but rather disadvantages, I’d rather Canon wait until that’s not the case.

I recognize that for videographers the situation may be different.
 
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Would an APS-C sized GS sensor not take an even bigger hit in IQ? Based on my understanding of GS the effective pixel sized is halfed to make space for the additional electronics required for the GS function. If it is too complicated or expensive to move it to a different place IQ should suffer, no?
To avoid the image quality issue that Sony has been criticised for in the A9iii - whether significant to people's use cases or not, Canon has stated that any future global shutter sensor would need to not have a decreased IQ.
I would guess this means that the pixel level storage for GS would need to be moved into the stacked level circuitry and not on the front side. This would mean that the current pixel light gathering capability would be retained.
 
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The only thing about a global shutter that would peak my interest (honestly) is the flash sync. To be able to shoot F1.2 lenses outside in bright sun without having to go into HSS or using an ND its fantastic. Right now the current crop of Canon cameras (R1 especially) far exceed my expectation and requirements. The global shutter (flash sync thing) would just be icing on the cake. But with that said, I'm going to run this R1 into the ground (likely get an additional R1 in a few months) before I even think of looking at a new camera bodies that may or may not be forthcoming

in the world of sub 3ms readout speeds, I am trying to wrap my head around where GS makes sense.

The answer I am coming too:
High readout/High MP/fast action.

Thinking though the math the R1 is reading its sensor at 2.7 ms: 24MB/0.0027 sec =8,889 MB/sec. The R5 II: 45MB/0.0063 sec=7,142 MB/sec. Likely higher as I am using 1:1 MP to MB here.

Say Canon has a 60 MP sensor where they want sub 3 ms readout speeds? That would be 60 MP/0.003 sec = 20,000 MB/sec. Perhaps beyond the next generation of Digic.

Or, as these decisions usually boil down to cost, getting a digic/other readout hardware to do ~20,000 MB/sec is more costly than a global shutter.

All speculation, but this fits for a high resolution R3 or R7. With R3 it makes some sense to me as the R1 would be ultimate IQ and R3 would take an IQ hit but give higher MP. I’ll happily take ultimate IQ.
What if it's released as an R1X?
 
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I take it you are using the R1 in anti-flicker mode, correct?
Also, do you have footage on your YouTube channel?
Sure, the R1 automatically detects the refresh rate of lights and adjust accordingly… this is less effective in mixed lighting… but even this doesn’t fix the moire when shooting with LED walls… those artifacts are caused by the sensor's pixel grid interfering with the pixel grid of the LED wall. This seems largely a non-issue in raw and FHD. However, it’s a genuine problem when filming in 4K.
 
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